Comments on: Separating rules and process http://www.column2.com/2006/02/separating-rules-and-process/ BPM, Enterprise 2.0 and technology trends in business. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 01:43:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Please don’t just “unify” rules and process | Smart (Enough) Systems, the blog http://www.column2.com/2006/02/separating-rules-and-process/comment-page-1/#comment-6779 Please don’t just “unify” rules and process | Smart (Enough) Systems, the blog Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:49:35 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/02/separating-rules-and-process/#comment-6779 [...] Separating rules and process (Sandy Kemsley) [...] [...] Separating rules and process (Sandy Kemsley) [...]

]]> By: Sandy Kemsley http://www.column2.com/2006/02/separating-rules-and-process/comment-page-1/#comment-5015 Sandy Kemsley Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:33:52 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/02/separating-rules-and-process/#comment-5015 Scott, I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on this. The reason that I see Pega's position as a disadvantage is that although Pega could be your enterprise rule repository, I don't think that's a significant part of their business. If an enterprise wants an enterprise rule engine/repository, they're going to pick one of the vendors who are squarely on this space, not (in my opinion) a vendor who primarily uses it as a platform for their BPM product. Scott, I’d love to hear more of your thoughts on this. The reason that I see Pega’s position as a disadvantage is that although Pega could be your enterprise rule repository, I don’t think that’s a significant part of their business. If an enterprise wants an enterprise rule engine/repository, they’re going to pick one of the vendors who are squarely on this space, not (in my opinion) a vendor who primarily uses it as a platform for their BPM product.

]]> By: Scott http://www.column2.com/2006/02/separating-rules-and-process/comment-page-1/#comment-5014 Scott Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:06:58 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/02/separating-rules-and-process/#comment-5014 Good post, although have to disagree that Pega's position is a disadvantage. Pega is first and foremost a rule engine - so you could use it as your enterprise repository without needing to employ the BPMS aspects. It also provides easy integration of external services; so conversely you can also use it as a bpms and call out to a different engine if needs be. Pega's big advantage is the seamlessness of the environment. You really do get compelling benefit from using it both as a rules engine & BPMS. If you want to use an external you're no worse off than Tibco where the integration between the rules engine and BPMS is very thin. (Note I've no allegiance to Pega but have just finished an in-depth eval of it vs. Tibco). Good post, although have to disagree that Pega’s position is a disadvantage.

Pega is first and foremost a rule engine – so you could use it as your enterprise repository without needing to employ the BPMS aspects. It also provides easy integration of external services; so conversely you can also use it as a bpms and call out to a different engine if needs be.

Pega’s big advantage is the seamlessness of the environment. You really do get compelling benefit from using it both as a rules engine & BPMS. If you want to use an external you’re no worse off than Tibco where the integration between the rules engine and BPMS is very thin.

(Note I’ve no allegiance to Pega but have just finished an in-depth eval of it vs. Tibco).

]]> By: Enterprise Decision Management - a Weblog http://www.column2.com/2006/02/separating-rules-and-process/comment-page-1/#comment-5020 Enterprise Decision Management - a Weblog Wed, 07 Jun 2006 00:42:14 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/02/separating-rules-and-process/#comment-5020 <strong>CEP needs business rules too</strong> I saw a comment on IT Analysis that talked about The difference between complex event processing and event stream processing. I liked the distinction drawn but have to take issue with the comment Philip makes agreeing with a CEP vendor about "why and... CEP needs business rules too

I saw a comment on IT Analysis that talked about The difference between complex event processing and event stream processing. I liked the distinction drawn but have to take issue with the comment Philip makes agreeing with a CEP vendor about “why and…

]]> By: James Taylor's Decision Management http://www.column2.com/2006/02/separating-rules-and-process/comment-page-1/#comment-5019 James Taylor's Decision Management Tue, 30 May 2006 22:45:31 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/02/separating-rules-and-process/#comment-5019 <strong>Some business rules principles (after Ron Ross)</strong> I was reading Ron Ross' book Principles of the Business Rules Approach (reviewed here) and thought his basic principles deserved both an airing on this blog and some additional "sub principles" when applied to the automation of decisions using busine... Some business rules principles (after Ron Ross)

I was reading Ron Ross’ book Principles of the Business Rules Approach (reviewed here) and thought his basic principles deserved both an airing on this blog and some additional “sub principles” when applied to the automation of decisions using busine…

]]> By: Tom Debevoise http://www.column2.com/2006/02/separating-rules-and-process/comment-page-1/#comment-5013 Tom Debevoise Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:43:40 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/02/separating-rules-and-process/#comment-5013 Sandy I think Tibco's BRE is cordicon, if I am not mistaken. Tom Sandy

I think Tibco’s BRE is cordicon, if I am not mistaken.

Tom

]]> By: James Taylor's Decision Management http://www.column2.com/2006/02/separating-rules-and-process/comment-page-1/#comment-5018 James Taylor's Decision Management Fri, 07 Apr 2006 04:58:04 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/02/separating-rules-and-process/#comment-5018 <strong>Platforms, platforms, platforms</strong> Tower Group's Jerry Silva recently published on ".NET vs. J2EE: Does the Future of Service-Orientation Hang on Myth and Misconception" He has some great data on platform preferences in various industries, especially banking, and about how people perc... Platforms, platforms, platforms

Tower Group’s Jerry Silva recently published on “.NET vs. J2EE: Does the Future of Service-Orientation Hang on Myth and Misconception” He has some great data on platform preferences in various industries, especially banking, and about how people perc…

]]> By: Fair Isaac http://www.column2.com/2006/02/separating-rules-and-process/comment-page-1/#comment-5017 Fair Isaac Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:00:23 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/02/separating-rules-and-process/#comment-5017 <strong>Fair Isaac</strong> The following discloses our information gathering andBurt Helm reports for Business Week on increasing co... Fair Isaac

The following discloses our information gathering andBurt Helm reports for Business Week on increasing co…

]]> By: Enterprise Decision Management - a Weblog http://www.column2.com/2006/02/separating-rules-and-process/comment-page-1/#comment-5016 Enterprise Decision Management - a Weblog Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:36:18 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/02/separating-rules-and-process/#comment-5016 <strong>Keeping rules and process separate, but linked</strong> Nice post by Sandy Kemsley on ebizq - Separating rules and process. Don't think I need to add anything to this one... Keeping rules and process separate, but linked

Nice post by Sandy Kemsley on ebizq – Separating rules and process. Don’t think I need to add anything to this one…

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