Comments on: A Short History of BPM, Part 8 http://www.column2.com/2006/06/a-short-history-of-bpm-part-8/ BPM, Enterprise 2.0 and technology trends in business. Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:15:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Hugo Koopmans http://www.column2.com/2006/06/a-short-history-of-bpm-part-8/comment-page-1/#comment-18964 Hugo Koopmans Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:26:06 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/06/a-short-history-of-bpm-part-8/#comment-18964 Hi Sandy, Thank you for sharing your view on BPM history! Really nicely writen and good input on my current assignment. Hugo Hi Sandy,

Thank you for sharing your view on BPM history!
Really nicely writen and good input on my current assignment.

Hugo

]]> By: Helen http://www.column2.com/2006/06/a-short-history-of-bpm-part-8/comment-page-1/#comment-5161 Helen Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:16:04 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/06/a-short-history-of-bpm-part-8/#comment-5161 I think BPM does his work when in hands of smart operators what I doubt is an often case. I think BPM does his work when in hands of smart operators what I doubt is an often case.

]]> By: David Ogren's BPM Blog http://www.column2.com/2006/06/a-short-history-of-bpm-part-8/comment-page-1/#comment-5162 David Ogren's BPM Blog Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:40:35 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/06/a-short-history-of-bpm-part-8/#comment-5162 <strong>Back to Blogging</strong> Sorry to be missing from the blog scene for so long. I spent a couple of weeks spreading the BPM vision within BEA and then a couple of weeks off. Luckily this means that I've had some time to do "deep thinking" and have some ideas for blog posts. Un... Back to Blogging

Sorry to be missing from the blog scene for so long. I spent a couple of weeks spreading the BPM vision within BEA and then a couple of weeks off. Luckily this means that I’ve had some time to do “deep thinking” and have some ideas for blog posts. Un…

]]> By: Sandy Kemsley http://www.column2.com/2006/06/a-short-history-of-bpm-part-8/comment-page-1/#comment-5160 Sandy Kemsley Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:37:19 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/06/a-short-history-of-bpm-part-8/#comment-5160 The day that anyone at IBM pays enough attention to me to even consider looking out a window (metaphorically speaking), much less jumping out of one, I can't even imagine what I'd do. :) I'm aware of IBM's human-facing workflow efforts, and they have always been substandard compared to their competitors at the time, in my opinion. As for the integration side, I said that Websphere MQ was "a" cornerstone of their strategy, not the only thing in it, and I'm speaking more from the point of view of how this stuff is actually being used in organizations that I work with as opposed to how IBM marketing would like it to be used. The day that anyone at IBM pays enough attention to me to even consider looking out a window (metaphorically speaking), much less jumping out of one, I can’t even imagine what I’d do. :)

I’m aware of IBM’s human-facing workflow efforts, and they have always been substandard compared to their competitors at the time, in my opinion.

As for the integration side, I said that Websphere MQ was “a” cornerstone of their strategy, not the only thing in it, and I’m speaking more from the point of view of how this stuff is actually being used in organizations that I work with as opposed to how IBM marketing would like it to be used.

]]> By: Bruce Silver http://www.column2.com/2006/06/a-short-history-of-bpm-part-8/comment-page-1/#comment-5159 Bruce Silver Fri, 16 Jun 2006 01:06:30 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/06/a-short-history-of-bpm-part-8/#comment-5159 Sandy, I don't really have a problem with your list, but I don't agree with your characterization of IBM and BEA. IBM has been doing human workflow almost as long as FileNet, and a lot of that functionality has found its way into WebSphere v6. Also, the BPM marketing guys there must be jumping out the window to hear that the cornerstone of their BPM strategy is MQ. WebSphere Business Modeler and Monitor are the cornerstone of BPM for IBM, what sets it apart from SOA. We all noted how weird it looked when BEA bought Fuego, but unless you know something I don't, the bigger worry now is that BEA is ignoring its strengths in SOA and focusing too much on human-centric processes... not the other way around. I look for BEA to integrate ESB with the Fuego stuff, but not to redirect BPM to mean business integration. Sandy,
I don’t really have a problem with your list, but I don’t agree with your characterization of IBM and BEA. IBM has been doing human workflow almost as long as FileNet, and a lot of that functionality has found its way into WebSphere v6. Also, the BPM marketing guys there must be jumping out the window to hear that the cornerstone of their BPM strategy is MQ. WebSphere Business Modeler and Monitor are the cornerstone of BPM for IBM, what sets it apart from SOA.
We all noted how weird it looked when BEA bought Fuego, but unless you know something I don’t, the bigger worry now is that BEA is ignoring its strengths in SOA and focusing too much on human-centric processes… not the other way around. I look for BEA to integrate ESB with the Fuego stuff, but not to redirect BPM to mean business integration.

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