Comments on: Process 2006 Day 1 - Networking http://www.column2.com/2006/09/process-2006-day-1-networking/ BPM, Enterprise 2.0 and technology trends in business. Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:55:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: IT Directions http://www.column2.com/2006/09/process-2006-day-1-networking/#comment-5219 IT Directions Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:53:28 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/09/process-2006-day-1-networking/#comment-5219 <strong>What good are "business processes" and "business s</strong> I did take a few days away from software development to attend Process 2006 as a featured speaker. Those of you who read Sandy Kemsley's recent blog postings will know all about this event. You may have read there an off-the-cuff remark I made over... What good are “business processes” and “business s

I did take a few days away from software development to attend Process 2006 as a featured speaker. Those of you who read Sandy Kemsley’s recent blog postings will know all about this event. You may have read there an off-the-cuff remark I made over…

]]> By: Tyner Blain http://www.column2.com/2006/09/process-2006-day-1-networking/#comment-5218 Tyner Blain Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:37:53 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/09/process-2006-day-1-networking/#comment-5218 <strong>Process 2006 - Day 1 by Sandy Kemsley</strong> Sandy Kemsley, of Column 2 fame, is blogging the Process 2006 convention Process 2006 - Day 1 by Sandy Kemsley

Sandy Kemsley, of Column 2 fame, is blogging the Process 2006 convention

]]> By: Sandy Kemsley http://www.column2.com/2006/09/process-2006-day-1-networking/#comment-5217 Sandy Kemsley Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:54:16 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/09/process-2006-day-1-networking/#comment-5217 Keith, you're now properly credited in the post -- if you hadn't kept filling my glass at the bar, I might have remembered who made the comment! Keith, you’re now properly credited in the post — if you hadn’t kept filling my glass at the bar, I might have remembered who made the comment!

]]> By: Keith Harrison-Broninski http://www.column2.com/2006/09/process-2006-day-1-networking/#comment-5216 Keith Harrison-Broninski Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:11:21 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/09/process-2006-day-1-networking/#comment-5216 OK, I own up (knowing Sandy, the truth will out sooner or later anyway). The "SOA is just BASIC over IP" crack was mine. This is a serious point, believe it or not. I have come to realise more and more over the last few years that most people working at the intersection of business and technology (i.e., with techniques such as SOA and BPM) don't "get" object-orientation. I'll blog about this soon - about time I got back to the blog anyway! OK, I own up (knowing Sandy, the truth will out sooner or later anyway). The “SOA is just BASIC over IP” crack was mine.

This is a serious point, believe it or not. I have come to realise more and more over the last few years that most people working at the intersection of business and technology (i.e., with techniques such as SOA and BPM) don’t “get” object-orientation. I’ll blog about this soon - about time I got back to the blog anyway!

]]> By: Sandy Kemsley http://www.column2.com/2006/09/process-2006-day-1-networking/#comment-5215 Sandy Kemsley Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:54:33 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/09/process-2006-day-1-networking/#comment-5215 <p>Phil, my rant was only a few days ago, <a href="http://www.column2.com/2006/09/bpm-and-web-20/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. I completely agree with your post from June, I see way too many cases of custom code built on top of a perfectly good BPMS, turning into yet another piece of legacy code. Your insurance company example is almost identical to one that I was involved in recently, where the systems integrators completely hid the BPMS behind custom code, made it impossible for the business analysts to use the BPMS design, simulation, administration or monitoring tools, thereby rendering it completely un-agile. Get something simple in early, I say.</p> Phil, my rant was only a few days ago, <a href=”http://www.column2.com/2006/09/bpm-and-web-20/” rel=”nofollow”>here</a>. I completely agree with your post from June, I see way too many cases of custom code built on top of a perfectly good BPMS, turning into yet another piece of legacy code. Your insurance company example is almost identical to one that I was involved in recently, where the systems integrators completely hid the BPMS behind custom code, made it impossible for the business analysts to use the BPMS design, simulation, administration or monitoring tools, thereby rendering it completely un-agile. Get something simple in early, I say.

]]> By: Sandy Kemsley http://www.column2.com/2006/09/process-2006-day-1-networking/#comment-5214 Sandy Kemsley Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:50:22 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/09/process-2006-day-1-networking/#comment-5214 Bruce, it's definitely different culturally than most of the American conferences that I've attended. I thought the Simula/BASIC exchange was pretty funny. :) Bruce, it’s definitely different culturally than most of the American conferences that I’ve attended. I thought the Simula/BASIC exchange was pretty funny. :)

]]> By: Phil Ayres http://www.column2.com/2006/09/process-2006-day-1-networking/#comment-5213 Phil Ayres Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:37:51 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/09/process-2006-day-1-networking/#comment-5213 Sandy, I absolutely agree with your rant about over-customizing BPM - I must have missed you blogging about it though. <a href="http://improving-nao.blogspot.com/2006/06/clever-user-interfaces-break-business.html" rel="nofollow">My experience</a> with this has been around the UI, where rules and process start (inadvertantly?) getting embedded, breaking the ability to alter the BPMS representation of the process. I'm not sure if this lines up with your view of over-customization. Are you thinking that parts of the process end up written in code, or something else?. That would then seem to indicate a progression to Keith Harrison-Broninski's approach of converting directly to deployed app server components. Sandy, I absolutely agree with your rant about over-customizing BPM - I must have missed you blogging about it though. My experience with this has been around the UI, where rules and process start (inadvertantly?) getting embedded, breaking the ability to alter the BPMS representation of the process.

I’m not sure if this lines up with your view of over-customization. Are you thinking that parts of the process end up written in code, or something else?. That would then seem to indicate a progression to Keith Harrison-Broninski’s approach of converting directly to deployed app server components.

]]> By: Bruce Silver http://www.column2.com/2006/09/process-2006-day-1-networking/#comment-5212 Bruce Silver Wed, 20 Sep 2006 03:10:38 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2006/09/process-2006-day-1-networking/#comment-5212 I always wondered about the vibe of that conference. Oy. I always wondered about the vibe of that conference. Oy.

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