Comments on: Forrester Day 2: The three B’s http://www.column2.com/2007/09/forrester-day-2-the-three-bs/ BPM, Enterprise 2.0 and technology trends in business. Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:21:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Live from Business Rules Forum - Business Process Management with Business Rules and Business Intelligence http://www.column2.com/2007/09/forrester-day-2-the-three-bs/#comment-6030 Live from Business Rules Forum - Business Process Management with Business Rules and Business Intelligence Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:04:56 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2007/09/forrester-day-2-the-three-bs/#comment-6030 [...] for long-running processes and is something I debated with Jesper of BEA in this series of posts - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Sandy also pointed out that a change to a process is potentially high risk so even a [...] [...] for long-running processes and is something I debated with Jesper of BEA in this series of posts - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Sandy also pointed out that a change to a process is potentially high risk so even a [...]

]]> By: Sandy Kemsley http://www.column2.com/2007/09/forrester-day-2-the-three-bs/#comment-5843 Sandy Kemsley Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:22:44 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2007/09/forrester-day-2-the-three-bs/#comment-5843 Jesper, apologizing for failing to ping is just way too polite :) And doesn't your blog do this automatically? As for your main question, I think that James' latest post (see trackback #3) answers most of the questions. It's true that some customization would be required for a consolidated audit trail of the process instance and the decision version, although this is (hopefully) where BPMS vendors and BRMS vendors are continuing to enhance their integration. Jesper, apologizing for failing to ping is just way too polite :) And doesn’t your blog do this automatically?

As for your main question, I think that James’ latest post (see trackback #3) answers most of the questions. It’s true that some customization would be required for a consolidated audit trail of the process instance and the decision version, although this is (hopefully) where BPMS vendors and BRMS vendors are continuing to enhance their integration.

]]> By: James Taylor's Decision Management http://www.column2.com/2007/09/forrester-day-2-the-three-bs/#comment-5834 James Taylor's Decision Management Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:48:10 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2007/09/forrester-day-2-the-three-bs/#comment-5834 <strong>More on process and rule coupling</strong> Jesper wrote some follow-on questions to my response to his post about Sandy's post. For some reason I can't comment on his blog - the site won't let me login and keeps saying there's an error - so I thought... More on process and rule coupling

Jesper wrote some follow-on questions to my response to his post about Sandy’s post. For some reason I can’t comment on his blog - the site won’t let me login and keeps saying there’s an error - so I thought…

]]> By: Jesper Joergensen http://www.column2.com/2007/09/forrester-day-2-the-three-bs/#comment-5831 Jesper Joergensen Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:02:56 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2007/09/forrester-day-2-the-three-bs/#comment-5831 Hi Sandy, I apologize for not leaving a comment here or pinging the trackback URL. I just wrote a follow-up on my blog (http://dev2dev.bea.com/blog/jesperfj/archive/2007/10/business_proces.html). I agree that loose coupling is important, but I think some thought has to be put into managing the loosely coupled elements, that's all. I'd be curious if you or James have some practical experience you can talk about on how customers are dealing with this. Or it could be that this is truly not much of an issue... Hi Sandy,

I apologize for not leaving a comment here or pinging the trackback URL.

I just wrote a follow-up on my blog (http://dev2dev.bea.com/blog/jesperfj/archive/2007/10/business_proces.html).

I agree that loose coupling is important, but I think some thought has to be put into managing the loosely coupled elements, that’s all. I’d be curious if you or James have some practical experience you can talk about on how customers are dealing with this. Or it could be that this is truly not much of an issue…

]]> By: Jesper Joergensen's Blog http://www.column2.com/2007/09/forrester-day-2-the-three-bs/#comment-5830 Jesper Joergensen's Blog Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:48:53 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2007/09/forrester-day-2-the-three-bs/#comment-5830 <strong>Business process and business rules encore</strong> James Taylor wrote a nice rebuttal to my previous post on loose coupling of business rules and business processes. Business process and business rules encore

James Taylor wrote a nice rebuttal to my previous post on loose coupling of business rules and business processes.

]]> By: Sandy Kemsley http://www.column2.com/2007/09/forrester-day-2-the-three-bs/#comment-5815 Sandy Kemsley Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:30:23 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2007/09/forrester-day-2-the-three-bs/#comment-5815 The trackback from James Taylor's post on this post worked fine, and I'm not aware of any problems with trackbacks. In order to initiate the trackback, Jesper's post needs to ping mine, it's possible that his site didn't send the ping. The trackback from James Taylor’s post on this post worked fine, and I’m not aware of any problems with trackbacks. In order to initiate the trackback, Jesper’s post needs to ping mine, it’s possible that his site didn’t send the ping.

]]> By: Jack http://www.column2.com/2007/09/forrester-day-2-the-three-bs/#comment-5813 Jack Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:25:59 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2007/09/forrester-day-2-the-three-bs/#comment-5813 I just came here from Jesper's site. He points to this post, so I'm surprise there is no trackback back to Jesper's post. Are your trackbacks broken? I just came here from Jesper’s site. He points to this post, so I’m surprise there is no trackback back to Jesper’s post. Are your trackbacks broken?

]]> By: James Taylor's Decision Management http://www.column2.com/2007/09/forrester-day-2-the-three-bs/#comment-5789 James Taylor's Decision Management Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:15:19 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2007/09/forrester-day-2-the-three-bs/#comment-5789 <strong>Why you SHOULD loosely couple processes and rules</strong> I saw this post last week by Jesper Joergensen - Can business processes and business rules be too loosely coupled? - in which he discusses one of Sandy's posts from the Forrester conference - Forrester Day 2: The three B’s.... Why you SHOULD loosely couple processes and rules

I saw this post last week by Jesper Joergensen - Can business processes and business rules be too loosely coupled? - in which he discusses one of Sandy’s posts from the Forrester conference - Forrester Day 2: The three B’s….

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