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	<title>Comments on: Bookmarks for August 8th</title>
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	<description>BPM, Enterprise 2.0 and technology trends in business.</description>
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		<title>By: Jean-Jacques Dubray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean-Jacques Dubray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy:

I appreciate the reference. About the "language", Mark and I have a long history of public discussion of somewhat diverging ideologies. I must admit that I voluntarily pushed the language here for two reasons: 

1) I felt Mark's argument aim at pushing a "fad" (applying Web 2.0 concepts just about everywhere) without creating a strong foundation for doing so. Ultimately, "fads", "hypes"... dis-serve BPM. Some people point at a "magic bullet" and as disillusions keep coming our way, CXOs loose faith in what is otherwise a great concepts. We have had so many lost opportunities in the last 10 years that we don't need anymore. 

2) I have been working on BPM products, methodologies, standards, solutions ... since 1997 and I am saddened to see it at the level where it is today, and I am sure you are too: it had grown, yes, but BPM deserves to drive a much larger share of IT (for good business reasons). So, I sometime loose it a little bit -on purpose- to bring to people's attention how important it is to use very precise formalisms, technologies, approaches... : precision is the magic bullet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy:</p>
<p>I appreciate the reference. About the &#8220;language&#8221;, Mark and I have a long history of public discussion of somewhat diverging ideologies. I must admit that I voluntarily pushed the language here for two reasons: </p>
<p>1) I felt Mark&#8217;s argument aim at pushing a &#8220;fad&#8221; (applying Web 2.0 concepts just about everywhere) without creating a strong foundation for doing so. Ultimately, &#8220;fads&#8221;, &#8220;hypes&#8221;&#8230; dis-serve BPM. Some people point at a &#8220;magic bullet&#8221; and as disillusions keep coming our way, CXOs loose faith in what is otherwise a great concepts. We have had so many lost opportunities in the last 10 years that we don&#8217;t need anymore. </p>
<p>2) I have been working on BPM products, methodologies, standards, solutions &#8230; since 1997 and I am saddened to see it at the level where it is today, and I am sure you are too: it had grown, yes, but BPM deserves to drive a much larger share of IT (for good business reasons). So, I sometime loose it a little bit -on purpose- to bring to people&#8217;s attention how important it is to use very precise formalisms, technologies, approaches&#8230; : precision is the magic bullet.</p>
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