Comments on: The next stage in the BPMG saga http://www.column2.com/2008/10/the-next-stage-in-the-bpmg-saga/ BPM, Enterprise 2.0 and technology trends in business. Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:47:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: TomDebevoise.com » The Vaule Proposition of OCEB http://www.column2.com/2008/10/the-next-stage-in-the-bpmg-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-9430 TomDebevoise.com » The Vaule Proposition of OCEB Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:31:03 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2008/10/the-next-stage-in-the-bpmg-saga/#comment-9430 [...] Kimsley’s had a post on the topic of BPM certification and in the ensuing comments pre-heckled my Business Rules Forum discussion of the OCEB [...] [...] Kimsley’s had a post on the topic of BPM certification and in the ensuing comments pre-heckled my Business Rules Forum discussion of the OCEB [...]

]]> By: Sandy Kemsley http://www.column2.com/2008/10/the-next-stage-in-the-bpmg-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-9425 Sandy Kemsley Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:17:48 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2008/10/the-next-stage-in-the-bpmg-saga/#comment-9425 Tom, I expect that you will have some questions with him along this subject, that is, the real value of BPM certification? I may have already departed BRF by then so may not be able to heckle from the audience. Tom, I expect that you will have some questions with him along this subject, that is, the real value of BPM certification? I may have already departed BRF by then so may not be able to heckle from the audience.

]]> By: Tom Debevoise http://www.column2.com/2008/10/the-next-stage-in-the-bpmg-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-9424 Tom Debevoise Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:33:21 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2008/10/the-next-stage-in-the-bpmg-saga/#comment-9424 Not to 'pile on' to these comments. Ok, darn it I will.... I have a one hour briefing on OCEB with Jon Siegel at the Business Rules Forum. (http://www.businessrulesforum.com/abstracts.php?id=357) I agree with Scott, the preparation is the best part of the exam. Not to ‘pile on’ to these comments. Ok, darn it I will….

I have a one hour briefing on OCEB with Jon Siegel at the Business Rules Forum. (http://www.businessrulesforum.com/abstracts.php?id=357)

I agree with Scott, the preparation is the best part of the exam.

]]> By: Scott Francis http://www.column2.com/2008/10/the-next-stage-in-the-bpmg-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-9422 Scott Francis Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:33:11 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2008/10/the-next-stage-in-the-bpmg-saga/#comment-9422 Well, OMG certification isn't "live" yet for BPM professionals... its still in beta... so it is too early to tell if it will help someone with their career or with their current job. However, I suspect it will quickly gain currency relative to any other certification in this area, and become the de facto standard. Well, OMG certification isn’t “live” yet for BPM professionals… its still in beta… so it is too early to tell if it will help someone with their career or with their current job. However, I suspect it will quickly gain currency relative to any other certification in this area, and become the de facto standard.

]]> By: Sandy Kemsley http://www.column2.com/2008/10/the-next-stage-in-the-bpmg-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-9421 Sandy Kemsley Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:10:23 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2008/10/the-next-stage-in-the-bpmg-saga/#comment-9421 Scott, I agree that OMG has more legs in this area, but ultimately (as you say) the real value may be in the training and exam preparation rather than the certification itself. I'd love to hear from anyone who has any sort of BPM certification on whether the certification itself has benefited them in their job, or just the training that led to the certification. Scott, I agree that OMG has more legs in this area, but ultimately (as you say) the real value may be in the training and exam preparation rather than the certification itself.

I’d love to hear from anyone who has any sort of BPM certification on whether the certification itself has benefited them in their job, or just the training that led to the certification.

]]> By: Scott Francis http://www.column2.com/2008/10/the-next-stage-in-the-bpmg-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-9420 Scott Francis Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:56:06 +0000 http://www.column2.com/2008/10/the-next-stage-in-the-bpmg-saga/#comment-9420 Sandy, I would point people interested in certification to www.omg.org/oceb which is a certification backed by OMG. At the very least, an organization with staying power. The exams are divided into business and technical tracks, with one fundamentals exam that covers both at a level that technical and business people should be able to handle if they are qualified. I believe an ecosystem of content and training will start to appear around these certifications, I'm sure some is already in progress. In the end, the real value may be in the preparation for the exams, rather than the certification itself, but I found that when I took the fundamental exam, it reminded me of many things that I had shuffled to the back of my brain somewhere, so even the test-taking was a bit educational. Perhaps the folks you discuss above should consider adapting their training to someone else's certification - that would take some of the concerns out for those taking the courses. Sandy, I would point people interested in certification to http://www.omg.org/oceb which is a certification backed by OMG. At the very least, an organization with staying power. The exams are divided into business and technical tracks, with one fundamentals exam that covers both at a level that technical and business people should be able to handle if they are qualified.

I believe an ecosystem of content and training will start to appear around these certifications, I’m sure some is already in progress. In the end, the real value may be in the preparation for the exams, rather than the certification itself, but I found that when I took the fundamental exam, it reminded me of many things that I had shuffled to the back of my brain somewhere, so even the test-taking was a bit educational. Perhaps the folks you discuss above should consider adapting their training to someone else’s certification - that would take some of the concerns out for those taking the courses.

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