<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: IBM FileNet P8 BPM V4.5</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.column2.com/2009/03/ibm-filenet-p8-bpm-v45/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.column2.com/2009/03/ibm-filenet-p8-bpm-v45/</link>
	<description>BPM, Enterprise 2.0 and technology trends in business.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:15:55 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Advanced Case Management Empowering The Business Analyst</title>
		<link>http://www.column2.com/2009/03/ibm-filenet-p8-bpm-v45/comment-page-1/#comment-16339</link>
		<dc:creator>Advanced Case Management Empowering The Business Analyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 18:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.column2.com/2009/03/ibm-filenet-p8-bpm-v45/#comment-16339</guid>
		<description>[...] the Business Process Framework (BPF); I predicted that BPF would become part of the core product when I reviewed P8 BPM v4.5 a year and a half ago, and while this is being released as a separate product rather than part of the core ECM product, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Business Process Framework (BPF); I predicted that BPF would become part of the core product when I reviewed P8 BPM v4.5 a year and a half ago, and while this is being released as a separate product rather than part of the core ECM product, [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Column 2 : Advanced Case Management Empowering The Business Analyst</title>
		<link>http://www.column2.com/2009/03/ibm-filenet-p8-bpm-v45/comment-page-1/#comment-16337</link>
		<dc:creator>Column 2 : Advanced Case Management Empowering The Business Analyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.column2.com/2009/03/ibm-filenet-p8-bpm-v45/#comment-16337</guid>
		<description>[...] the Business Process Framework (BPF); I predicted that BPF would become part of the core product when I reviewed P8 BPM v4.5 a year and a half ago, and while this is being released as a separate product rather than part of the core ECM product, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Business Process Framework (BPF); I predicted that BPF would become part of the core product when I reviewed P8 BPM v4.5 a year and a half ago, and while this is being released as a separate product rather than part of the core ECM product, [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Column 2 : IBM Buying Lombardi: A Bauble on their BPM Christmas Tree?</title>
		<link>http://www.column2.com/2009/03/ibm-filenet-p8-bpm-v45/comment-page-1/#comment-13537</link>
		<dc:creator>Column 2 : IBM Buying Lombardi: A Bauble on their BPM Christmas Tree?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.column2.com/2009/03/ibm-filenet-p8-bpm-v45/#comment-13537</guid>
		<description>[...] and easy for customers with a big pocketbook to buy multiple products to do almost the same thing, much as they do now with FileNet BPM and WebSphere Process Server. Sure, there are some use cases that are particularly well-matched to one of the three, but [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and easy for customers with a big pocketbook to buy multiple products to do almost the same thing, much as they do now with FileNet BPM and WebSphere Process Server. Sure, there are some use cases that are particularly well-matched to one of the three, but [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sandy Kemsley</title>
		<link>http://www.column2.com/2009/03/ibm-filenet-p8-bpm-v45/comment-page-1/#comment-11064</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy Kemsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.column2.com/2009/03/ibm-filenet-p8-bpm-v45/#comment-11064</guid>
		<description>Mark, I agree that they&#039;re behind the curve on a lot of stuff - having worked there in 2000-1, I even have some idea of some of the reasons (mostly political) how that happened. Now, unfortunately, I fear that FileNet BPM development will continue to decline since IBM likely prefers to have BPM customers on the WebSphere BPM products. As for content, IBM appears to be making a pretty strong commitment to CM as their primary content platform, so I wouldn&#039;t rule out a port to the mainframe (although I haven&#039;t heard anything like that).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I agree that they&#8217;re behind the curve on a lot of stuff &#8211; having worked there in 2000-1, I even have some idea of some of the reasons (mostly political) how that happened. Now, unfortunately, I fear that FileNet BPM development will continue to decline since IBM likely prefers to have BPM customers on the WebSphere BPM products. As for content, IBM appears to be making a pretty strong commitment to CM as their primary content platform, so I wouldn&#8217;t rule out a port to the mainframe (although I haven&#8217;t heard anything like that).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mark Masterson</title>
		<link>http://www.column2.com/2009/03/ibm-filenet-p8-bpm-v45/comment-page-1/#comment-11026</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Masterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.column2.com/2009/03/ibm-filenet-p8-bpm-v45/#comment-11026</guid>
		<description>Like you, FN P8 is what I know best amongst the large commercial toolsets.  And like you, I remain distinctly unimpressed by the glacially slow pace and marked lack of visible enthusiasm for the process of integrating FN into the larger IBM product space.  You are fairly diplomatic about it -- since I&#039;m known for not being that, I&#039;ll call a spade a spade -- they&#039;ve sucked at this, hard.  And, as Scott points out in the prior comment, the reason seems obvious -- they&#039;re hedging to squeeze every last short term penny out of these various products that they can.

The BPF stuff is a great case in point.  Privately, they&#039;ve been admitting to big customers for *years* that the &quot;good stuff&quot; in BPF is implemented in Javascript, and that it&#039;s of limited value if you can&#039;t use it out of the box.  If your needs include case management complexity, but don&#039;t happen to precisely fit the BPF implementation, you have two options: implement custom requirements in Javascript at the browser level, or do without.  I&#039;ve seen both, and neither is pretty.  The obvious solution to this is to port the BPF code to Java and make it a first class part of the back end, with a clean API (I wouldn&#039;t really care if it was RESTful or nasty WS-*, frankly).  And they&#039;ve been talking about doing exactly that, also for years -- the &quot;Case Management API&quot; is the Flying Dutchman of FN promises.

Frankly, they&#039;re also wasting a *huge* opportunity to leverage IBM&#039;s strengths to attack one of FN&#039;s core problems: scalability.  The ContentEngine design metaphor starts to buckle when you get up to the millions per day (whether that&#039;s documents coming in, being manipulated, or even just snazzy events being fired).  And FN has customers that want to do things at that scale, but can&#039;t.  The obvious solution would be to get FN bits running on the mainframe (ideally, natively, but I&#039;d settle for a Linux image).  But again, the operative adjectives for their efforts in that direction would be &quot;tepid&quot;, &quot;half heated&quot;, and &quot;slow&quot;.  

They argue that enterprises should replace their home-grown bespoke systems for TCO reasons (systems like ones that I&#039;ve written ;)), but that argument is specious as long as they can&#039;t achieve comparable performance / scalability.  The snazzy events that you mention here *are* nice, for example, but *we* told them we wanted that, after we had already gone ahead and implemented it ourselves with bespoke code and MQ Series (where it&#039;s fast as hell).

Now, of course, years later, they are all in danger of being overtaken by events.  By the time they get the mainframe proposition sorted, I won&#039;t care -- instead, I&#039;ll want to know how they&#039;re going to exploit Amazon EC2, and how they intend to support sharding and Map / Reduce suitable architectures in the CE.  LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like you, FN P8 is what I know best amongst the large commercial toolsets.  And like you, I remain distinctly unimpressed by the glacially slow pace and marked lack of visible enthusiasm for the process of integrating FN into the larger IBM product space.  You are fairly diplomatic about it &#8212; since I&#8217;m known for not being that, I&#8217;ll call a spade a spade &#8212; they&#8217;ve sucked at this, hard.  And, as Scott points out in the prior comment, the reason seems obvious &#8212; they&#8217;re hedging to squeeze every last short term penny out of these various products that they can.</p>
<p>The BPF stuff is a great case in point.  Privately, they&#8217;ve been admitting to big customers for *years* that the &quot;good stuff&quot; in BPF is implemented in Javascript, and that it&#8217;s of limited value if you can&#8217;t use it out of the box.  If your needs include case management complexity, but don&#8217;t happen to precisely fit the BPF implementation, you have two options: implement custom requirements in Javascript at the browser level, or do without.  I&#8217;ve seen both, and neither is pretty.  The obvious solution to this is to port the BPF code to Java and make it a first class part of the back end, with a clean API (I wouldn&#8217;t really care if it was RESTful or nasty WS-*, frankly).  And they&#8217;ve been talking about doing exactly that, also for years &#8212; the &quot;Case Management API&quot; is the Flying Dutchman of FN promises.</p>
<p>Frankly, they&#8217;re also wasting a *huge* opportunity to leverage IBM&#8217;s strengths to attack one of FN&#8217;s core problems: scalability.  The ContentEngine design metaphor starts to buckle when you get up to the millions per day (whether that&#8217;s documents coming in, being manipulated, or even just snazzy events being fired).  And FN has customers that want to do things at that scale, but can&#8217;t.  The obvious solution would be to get FN bits running on the mainframe (ideally, natively, but I&#8217;d settle for a Linux image).  But again, the operative adjectives for their efforts in that direction would be &quot;tepid&quot;, &quot;half heated&quot;, and &quot;slow&quot;.  </p>
<p>They argue that enterprises should replace their home-grown bespoke systems for TCO reasons (systems like ones that I&#8217;ve written <img src='http://www.column2.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ), but that argument is specious as long as they can&#8217;t achieve comparable performance / scalability.  The snazzy events that you mention here *are* nice, for example, but *we* told them we wanted that, after we had already gone ahead and implemented it ourselves with bespoke code and MQ Series (where it&#8217;s fast as hell).</p>
<p>Now, of course, years later, they are all in danger of being overtaken by events.  By the time they get the mainframe proposition sorted, I won&#8217;t care &#8212; instead, I&#8217;ll want to know how they&#8217;re going to exploit Amazon EC2, and how they intend to support sharding and Map / Reduce suitable architectures in the CE.  LOL.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: links for 2009-03-06 &#171; steinarcarlsen</title>
		<link>http://www.column2.com/2009/03/ibm-filenet-p8-bpm-v45/comment-page-1/#comment-10949</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-03-06 &#171; steinarcarlsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.column2.com/2009/03/ibm-filenet-p8-bpm-v45/#comment-10949</guid>
		<description>[...] Column 2 : IBM FileNet P8 BPM V4.5 (tags: bpm ibm ecm) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Column 2 : IBM FileNet P8 BPM V4.5 (tags: bpm ibm ecm) [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Scott Francis</title>
		<link>http://www.column2.com/2009/03/ibm-filenet-p8-bpm-v45/comment-page-1/#comment-10948</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.column2.com/2009/03/ibm-filenet-p8-bpm-v45/#comment-10948</guid>
		<description>I think this is just, kind of typical, from vendors with a lot of products and/or legacy business to protect.  Instead of re-imagining what their customers want to buy and how they want to buy it from a big vendor (e.g. IBM), they are thinking about how to carve it up so that they can protect revenue/product streams. 

Financially, they may even be &quot;right&quot; to do so.  At least in the short-term.  But in the medium- to long-term I think the ill effects of market confusion and increased costs of deployment weigh this approach down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is just, kind of typical, from vendors with a lot of products and/or legacy business to protect.  Instead of re-imagining what their customers want to buy and how they want to buy it from a big vendor (e.g. IBM), they are thinking about how to carve it up so that they can protect revenue/product streams. </p>
<p>Financially, they may even be &#8220;right&#8221; to do so.  At least in the short-term.  But in the medium- to long-term I think the ill effects of market confusion and increased costs of deployment weigh this approach down.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

