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		<title>By: Column 2 : ARISalign Online Process Modeling and BPM Community</title>
		<link>http://www.column2.com/2009/08/alignspace-social-bpm-community/comment-page-1/#comment-13866</link>
		<dc:creator>Column 2 : ARISalign Online Process Modeling and BPM Community</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] online BPM community, originally dubbed AlignSpace, or as it has been recently renamed, ARISalign. Originally launched in a private beta months ago, those of us on the outside have been anticipating a look at how they plan to “combine social [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Terry Schurter</title>
		<link>http://www.column2.com/2009/08/alignspace-social-bpm-community/comment-page-1/#comment-11932</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Schurter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few points of clarification may help to place my comments into better perspective. One - we do NOT all agree that IT has to be involved in defining the scope of an improvement. Two - including other people (as Jessica described) is very often necessary. That does not make them part of the “improvement team” though. In fact, if the right questions aren’t poised to the right people the wheels can come off of that as well. Three – sure, with a solid team leader the group can be larger… assuming that is the case. Four – it also depends on the problem we are seeking to solve. If we are developing automated processes (I would call them business services) than best practice sharing is spot on. If we are dealing with processes rife with human interaction, I stand on points already made. Five – yes, I am hard on BPM vendors. That is because we’ve only scratched the surface of what we can really do with BPM. Incremental improvement is all fine and dandy, but the opportunities for 20% - 50%+ cost reduction, productivity enhancement, revolutionizing customer service and so forth exist in almost every organization. Making BPM part of truly transformational business is the opportunity that I don’t think BPM vendors “get.” That said, I obviously wouldn’t be where I am if I didn’t think there was an opportunity to flip that on its head.

So if AlignSpace is intended to be a forum for business services (automated processes) then kudos – it should be very valuable. If it is intended to foster a broad conversation on human-centric processes then every consultant that has a BPM shingle out will probably love it as a means to build profile and create affinity with potential customers (I’m not disparaging consultants by the way). I don’t see that addressing the real opportunity, but it ought to do well.

For customers, BPM vendors have yet to step up to the plate and really unravel the key challenges. You can’t do that by asking customers what they want. That’s not how Skype came into existence, how Zara became the largest fashion retailer in the world, how Apple designed the iPhone or how Discount Tire reshaped the entire US tire retailer market. You can’t do that without solving problems that haven’t been solved before.  For SAG, Mike, I would expect your focus will tend towards the more technical side of BPM (you are working for a German company now). My comments may be more a reflection of focus or perspective than anything else. Oh, and sorry to create frustration but in the world of BPM technology I&#039;ve been living with it for years!

Terry Schurter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few points of clarification may help to place my comments into better perspective. One &#8211; we do NOT all agree that IT has to be involved in defining the scope of an improvement. Two &#8211; including other people (as Jessica described) is very often necessary. That does not make them part of the “improvement team” though. In fact, if the right questions aren’t poised to the right people the wheels can come off of that as well. Three – sure, with a solid team leader the group can be larger… assuming that is the case. Four – it also depends on the problem we are seeking to solve. If we are developing automated processes (I would call them business services) than best practice sharing is spot on. If we are dealing with processes rife with human interaction, I stand on points already made. Five – yes, I am hard on BPM vendors. That is because we’ve only scratched the surface of what we can really do with BPM. Incremental improvement is all fine and dandy, but the opportunities for 20% &#8211; 50%+ cost reduction, productivity enhancement, revolutionizing customer service and so forth exist in almost every organization. Making BPM part of truly transformational business is the opportunity that I don’t think BPM vendors “get.” That said, I obviously wouldn’t be where I am if I didn’t think there was an opportunity to flip that on its head.</p>
<p>So if AlignSpace is intended to be a forum for business services (automated processes) then kudos – it should be very valuable. If it is intended to foster a broad conversation on human-centric processes then every consultant that has a BPM shingle out will probably love it as a means to build profile and create affinity with potential customers (I’m not disparaging consultants by the way). I don’t see that addressing the real opportunity, but it ought to do well.</p>
<p>For customers, BPM vendors have yet to step up to the plate and really unravel the key challenges. You can’t do that by asking customers what they want. That’s not how Skype came into existence, how Zara became the largest fashion retailer in the world, how Apple designed the iPhone or how Discount Tire reshaped the entire US tire retailer market. You can’t do that without solving problems that haven’t been solved before.  For SAG, Mike, I would expect your focus will tend towards the more technical side of BPM (you are working for a German company now). My comments may be more a reflection of focus or perspective than anything else. Oh, and sorry to create frustration but in the world of BPM technology I&#8217;ve been living with it for years!</p>
<p>Terry Schurter</p>
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		<title>By: BPM service news</title>
		<link>http://www.column2.com/2009/08/alignspace-social-bpm-community/comment-page-1/#comment-11625</link>
		<dc:creator>BPM service news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Collaborative BPM &#8211; where&#8217;s the value?...&lt;/strong&gt;

Over at her column2 blog, independent BPM consultant (and ace blogger) Sandy Kemsley stirred up some interesting debate with a post about Software AG&#8217;s AlignSpace community (which I also blogged about here btw).
The debate on Sandy&#8217;s blog c...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Collaborative BPM &#8211; where&#8217;s the value?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Over at her column2 blog, independent BPM consultant (and ace blogger) Sandy Kemsley stirred up some interesting debate with a post about Software AG&#8217;s AlignSpace community (which I also blogged about here btw).<br />
The debate on Sandy&#8217;s blog c&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Stoesser</title>
		<link>http://www.column2.com/2009/08/alignspace-social-bpm-community/comment-page-1/#comment-11593</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Stoesser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jessica
We are currently talking to various people in order to get some contents for the marketplace before it launches. However, the idea is that the community drives it once it is available. BPM experts/consultants/vendors/etc. will be able to advertise their services by posting a portolio. In addition to that we hope that people will share reference processes or process templates - maybe even reference projects that include more than just a process model.

- Thomas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jessica<br />
We are currently talking to various people in order to get some contents for the marketplace before it launches. However, the idea is that the community drives it once it is available. BPM experts/consultants/vendors/etc. will be able to advertise their services by posting a portolio. In addition to that we hope that people will share reference processes or process templates &#8211; maybe even reference projects that include more than just a process model.</p>
<p>- Thomas</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy Kemsley</title>
		<link>http://www.column2.com/2009/08/alignspace-social-bpm-community/comment-page-1/#comment-11581</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy Kemsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, I do intend to take a closer look at IBM&#039;s Blueworks now that it&#039;s open for business. Interesting to see the different vendors&#039; takes on inter-company (or even intra-company) collaboration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, I do intend to take a closer look at IBM&#8217;s Blueworks now that it&#8217;s open for business. Interesting to see the different vendors&#8217; takes on inter-company (or even intra-company) collaboration.</p>
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		<title>By: djebar Hammouche</title>
		<link>http://www.column2.com/2009/08/alignspace-social-bpm-community/comment-page-1/#comment-11573</link>
		<dc:creator>djebar Hammouche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with  recent acquisition of ARIS stack (IDS scheer), i think that BPM will go in the cloud ...
Nice article so i suscribe to bcome an e betatester ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with  recent acquisition of ARIS stack (IDS scheer), i think that BPM will go in the cloud &#8230;<br />
Nice article so i suscribe to bcome an e betatester ..</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Keen</title>
		<link>http://www.column2.com/2009/08/alignspace-social-bpm-community/comment-page-1/#comment-11572</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Keen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taking a social approach to BPM is fascinating and seems to be in line with the way people actually work in BPM projects.  I would not say that I am a BPM expert but have participated in half a dozen such projects.  The projects seem to take the same route; they start with the “smart” people and then they have to invite the “right” people to participate.  It is rare that the initial people in the project are, in fact, the ones that have all of the information needed to complete it.  The team inevitably ends up reaching out to others for assistance.  The interaction paradigm that social networking gives has the potential to revolutionize the way these projects go.  

Unlike Terry, I don’t believe that social groups have to be unruly.  I am a long time Facebook user (http://www.facebook.com/jessiekeen) and routinely use it to organize meetings and projects.  While there is a huge potential for disorganization in such settings I have found that eventually a clear hierarchy develops.  Most social media users only really participate when they really have to.  Most of the time they are in “view only” mode.  I suspect that this is what will eventually happen to AlignSpace projects.  In the long run social networking is very much like being there in person.  There are leaders and there are followers; most are followers.

While I think that the social approach to this is interesting I am also very intrigued by the “marketplace”.  Being able to have easy access to “community” BPM resources is a fantastic idea.  How will this be populated?  By the community?  What can be shared?  I love the voting aspects which really bring the community into the picture.  

Sandy thinks for bringing this to light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking a social approach to BPM is fascinating and seems to be in line with the way people actually work in BPM projects.  I would not say that I am a BPM expert but have participated in half a dozen such projects.  The projects seem to take the same route; they start with the “smart” people and then they have to invite the “right” people to participate.  It is rare that the initial people in the project are, in fact, the ones that have all of the information needed to complete it.  The team inevitably ends up reaching out to others for assistance.  The interaction paradigm that social networking gives has the potential to revolutionize the way these projects go.  </p>
<p>Unlike Terry, I don’t believe that social groups have to be unruly.  I am a long time Facebook user (<a href="http://www.facebook.com/jessiekeen" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/jessiekeen</a>) and routinely use it to organize meetings and projects.  While there is a huge potential for disorganization in such settings I have found that eventually a clear hierarchy develops.  Most social media users only really participate when they really have to.  Most of the time they are in “view only” mode.  I suspect that this is what will eventually happen to AlignSpace projects.  In the long run social networking is very much like being there in person.  There are leaders and there are followers; most are followers.</p>
<p>While I think that the social approach to this is interesting I am also very intrigued by the “marketplace”.  Being able to have easy access to “community” BPM resources is a fantastic idea.  How will this be populated?  By the community?  What can be shared?  I love the voting aspects which really bring the community into the picture.  </p>
<p>Sandy thinks for bringing this to light.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Francis</title>
		<link>http://www.column2.com/2009/08/alignspace-social-bpm-community/comment-page-1/#comment-11568</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 02:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m supposing that Terry means that the &quot;authors&quot; of the process (drivers, authors etc) need to be a relatively small number of people.  

However, I&#039;ve found that the Bus Brake Effect only takes over if you let it.  You have to keep the larger audience from dragging you into oblivion.  It can be done and in fact it is accomplished all the time :) 

Mike, you make some great points about the value of broader participation. 

Sandy, do you intend to complete the series and review the other &quot;collaborative&quot; offerings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m supposing that Terry means that the &#8220;authors&#8221; of the process (drivers, authors etc) need to be a relatively small number of people.  </p>
<p>However, I&#8217;ve found that the Bus Brake Effect only takes over if you let it.  You have to keep the larger audience from dragging you into oblivion.  It can be done and in fact it is accomplished all the time <img src='http://www.column2.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Mike, you make some great points about the value of broader participation. </p>
<p>Sandy, do you intend to complete the series and review the other &#8220;collaborative&#8221; offerings?</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-08-10 &#171; On IT-business alignment and related things</title>
		<link>http://www.column2.com/2009/08/alignspace-social-bpm-community/comment-page-1/#comment-11566</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-08-10 &#171; On IT-business alignment and related things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Column 2 : AlignSpace social BPM community Sandy Kemsley on AlignSpace. Also see MWD&#039;s BPM blog (tags: softwareag collaboration bpm saas) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Column 2 : AlignSpace social BPM community Sandy Kemsley on AlignSpace. Also see MWD&#39;s BPM blog (tags: softwareag collaboration bpm saas) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Lees</title>
		<link>http://www.column2.com/2009/08/alignspace-social-bpm-community/comment-page-1/#comment-11565</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Lees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am intrigued as to how a meaningful process improvement project could be achieved with 3 (or less) stakeholders (or &#039;personas&#039; to use your employers vernacular).  Given we all agree that business and IT have to be represented, I guess that covers two of them!   

Are you really suggesting that we should take a dictatorial approach to process improvement and that only the opinions of a few appointed &#039;process experts&#039; should count?!  That&#039;s definitely an interesting approach to innovation.    

We are not talking about a solution that allows decisions to get taken by some sort of group concensus here.  Instead we are talking about a mechanism that allows us to find and harness the minds of the informed and feed it into a structured framework for decision-making.   It&#039;s a platform where project owners still retain control over who and what is involved in their initiatives.

Just because we are using social networking as a feature of AlignSpace does not make the approach unstructured.  Social networking offers nothing more than a way of connecting with people that have a relevant perspective, and a collaborative platform allows these people to contribute in a more productive way.  Certainly more productive, than the unscalable, 3 person, closed workshop approach that you would seem to recommend.

Finally, comments like “[BPM vendors] do not understand customer needs” are frustrating to say the least. Especially so when they are made by someone who recently accepted a senior position at one such vendor.   Is it really possible that businesses such as Software AG and Global360 could be successful if they didn&#039;t have some understanding of what their customers needed?  Are we *so* good at sales and marketing that, in the current environment we can get our customers to part with money for solutions they don’t need?

I personally think the persona approach that Global360 is advocating shows that you *do* understand your customers….I just think there are more than 3 ‘personas’ that we need to be listening to!

Mike Lees</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am intrigued as to how a meaningful process improvement project could be achieved with 3 (or less) stakeholders (or &#8216;personas&#8217; to use your employers vernacular).  Given we all agree that business and IT have to be represented, I guess that covers two of them!   </p>
<p>Are you really suggesting that we should take a dictatorial approach to process improvement and that only the opinions of a few appointed &#8216;process experts&#8217; should count?!  That&#8217;s definitely an interesting approach to innovation.    </p>
<p>We are not talking about a solution that allows decisions to get taken by some sort of group concensus here.  Instead we are talking about a mechanism that allows us to find and harness the minds of the informed and feed it into a structured framework for decision-making.   It&#8217;s a platform where project owners still retain control over who and what is involved in their initiatives.</p>
<p>Just because we are using social networking as a feature of AlignSpace does not make the approach unstructured.  Social networking offers nothing more than a way of connecting with people that have a relevant perspective, and a collaborative platform allows these people to contribute in a more productive way.  Certainly more productive, than the unscalable, 3 person, closed workshop approach that you would seem to recommend.</p>
<p>Finally, comments like “[BPM vendors] do not understand customer needs” are frustrating to say the least. Especially so when they are made by someone who recently accepted a senior position at one such vendor.   Is it really possible that businesses such as Software AG and Global360 could be successful if they didn&#8217;t have some understanding of what their customers needed?  Are we *so* good at sales and marketing that, in the current environment we can get our customers to part with money for solutions they don’t need?</p>
<p>I personally think the persona approach that Global360 is advocating shows that you *do* understand your customers….I just think there are more than 3 ‘personas’ that we need to be listening to!</p>
<p>Mike Lees</p>
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