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	<title>Comments on: Business Rules and Business Events: Where CEP Helps Decisions #brf</title>
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		<title>By: Paul Vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Vincent</dc:creator>
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		<description>Thanks Sandy! Good to meet you at the conference, and hopefully it was an interesting session. A few responses:

&quot;In fact, there’s a fine line between business processes and event processing if you consider how an event might impact an in-flight event-triggered process, and Paul declared that BPM is really just a constrained case of CEP.&quot;
You could argue that this simply means that the definition of CEP (aggregating events) is too broad. But I prefer the view that BPM (usually meaning process orchestration via BPMN) is simply, so far, the most used pattern for CEP...

&quot;Having taken over the world of BPM, he moved on to BRM, and showed how CEP systems are better for managing automated rules&quot;
:) I probably meant to say how CEP are better for automating managed rules. But rule (and process) management is of course a workflow which is usually a type of simple event processing. For example, what events lead you to change a process diagram? Is process change itself a managed process based on events? etc etc.

&quot;This allows historic patterns to be detected in real time (which sounds like a contradiction)&quot;
You are right - it does sound funny. Historic patterns may be discovered via traditional data-based analytics, then mapped to a CEP (or BRE) for pattern detection. Of course, real-time pattern discovery (finding new patterns on the fly) is the domain of real-time analytics (via metarules, for example, in TIBCO)- a pretty new field.

&quot;business users (or at least business analysts) need to be able to understand and model events independent of any particular infrastructure. I completely agree with this...&quot; A rule consultant I once worked with stopped me after the presentation and made this point exactly - analysing rules from an event perspective can be very clarifying (regardless of using CEP, BRE, or BPM).

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sandy! Good to meet you at the conference, and hopefully it was an interesting session. A few responses:</p>
<p>&#8220;In fact, there’s a fine line between business processes and event processing if you consider how an event might impact an in-flight event-triggered process, and Paul declared that BPM is really just a constrained case of CEP.&#8221;<br />
You could argue that this simply means that the definition of CEP (aggregating events) is too broad. But I prefer the view that BPM (usually meaning process orchestration via BPMN) is simply, so far, the most used pattern for CEP&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Having taken over the world of BPM, he moved on to BRM, and showed how CEP systems are better for managing automated rules&#8221;<br />
 <img src='http://www.column2.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I probably meant to say how CEP are better for automating managed rules. But rule (and process) management is of course a workflow which is usually a type of simple event processing. For example, what events lead you to change a process diagram? Is process change itself a managed process based on events? etc etc.</p>
<p>&#8220;This allows historic patterns to be detected in real time (which sounds like a contradiction)&#8221;<br />
You are right &#8211; it does sound funny. Historic patterns may be discovered via traditional data-based analytics, then mapped to a CEP (or BRE) for pattern detection. Of course, real-time pattern discovery (finding new patterns on the fly) is the domain of real-time analytics (via metarules, for example, in TIBCO)- a pretty new field.</p>
<p>&#8220;business users (or at least business analysts) need to be able to understand and model events independent of any particular infrastructure. I completely agree with this&#8230;&#8221; A rule consultant I once worked with stopped me after the presentation and made this point exactly &#8211; analysing rules from an event perspective can be very clarifying (regardless of using CEP, BRE, or BPM).</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Business Rules Forum 2009 &#8211; Day 2 #brf — JT on EDM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Business Rules Forum 2009 &#8211; Day 2 #brf — JT on EDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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